tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post975627050299245260..comments2024-03-27T22:28:06.861-06:00Comments on Dispatches From Turtle Island: Ancient DNA Suggests Multiple Neolithic Population Waves In IberiaAndrew Oh-Willekehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-13060438467353248992011-11-28T08:46:15.253-07:002011-11-28T08:46:15.253-07:00"... the early Neolithic ancient Iberian mtDN..."... the early Neolithic ancient Iberian mtDNA isn't really consistent with modern distributions"...<br /><br />True if you consider only this paper but when you consider the following sites/regions, they are quite consistent with modern distributions:<br /><br />(1) Chaves (Aragon) from this paper: 2 H, 1 K<br /><br />(2) Paternabidea (Navarre) from Hervalle 2009: 3 H*, 2 H3, 1 U, 1 K, 1 I, 1 HV<br /><br />(3) Three pooled South Portuguese sites from <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21063754/dna2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">Chandler 2005</a>: reportedly 17 H, 1 V, 2 U*, 3 U5<br /><br />Notice that careful examination of the HVS-I haplotypes may cast doubt on many of the reported haplogroups (and that's why they should use coding region testing - but they do not). <br /><br />So what we see is that the Catalan sites are out of sync with the rest (too many rare haplogroups, even for West Asia or any other conceivable setting). <br /><br />My thought is that they may represent indeed some sort of wave from Italy (or who knows where?) but that they were eventually displaced later on in the Chalcolithic (Megaliths? but only on the mountain areas) or maybe the Bronze and Iron Ages (Urnfields from the NE?, Iberians from the South?) <br /><br />Today Catalans are most similar in Y-DNA to Gascons AFAIK but there are way too many blanks in South France to judge properly. Gascony should not be a post-Neolithic genetic source for Catalonia in any case.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-4677118315561849422011-11-28T08:30:00.881-07:002011-11-28T08:30:00.881-07:00Let's see: I "reported" from what wa...Let's see: I "reported" from what was listed in Jean Manco's page, which is available to all. Later I had access to the paper and saw the full sequences and I realized that what I saw in Jean's site was only the two Early Neolithic sites and that two N* sequences were reported as one because they are identical and the same was the case with two H ones from Chaves (although in this case the likelihood of close relatedness is smaller). Lacking were three individuals from Sant Pau, which is a Late Neolithic site and hence listed later in the chronological sequence at Jean's site. <br /><br />You can see the whole list <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-keGzWiR3ivs/TtKpmfhw7XI/AAAAAAAAArY/FxIeW3aZd08/s1600/CatalanNeolithicmtDNA.png" rel="nofollow">here</a> (from <a href="http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2011/11/neolithic-basque-mtdna.html" rel="nofollow">this entry</a> at my blog covering the whole matter of Neolithic mtDNA south of the Pyrenees).Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com