tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post4655138380722527558..comments2024-03-28T21:52:52.100-06:00Comments on Dispatches From Turtle Island: Steppe Ancestry Reached Switzerland Before Germany; Implications For Etruscan OriginsAndrew Oh-Willekehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-37450866048354710052019-09-26T21:12:03.574-06:002019-09-26T21:12:03.574-06:00I am aware that some (particularly the Y-DNA one) ...I am aware that some (particularly the Y-DNA one) are based upon modern samples, but that doesn't necessarily make them inaccurate.<br /><br />The linguistic origins of Basque are not known either and the data can support more than one possible hypothesis. I do not consider the hypothesis that the Bell Beaker people were linguistically IE even to be definitively established. Genes are not language.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-24398450335778640362019-09-26T15:36:57.994-06:002019-09-26T15:36:57.994-06:00The the linguistic origin is not so cryptic. Simpl...The the linguistic origin is not so cryptic. Simply not all populations adopted Indo-European languages despite IE migrations. The Basques are the living proof even today.<br /><br /><br />@ andrew<br /><br />Some of the papers you've posted are just inaccurate speculations based on modern samples.FTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10750081148899258343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-76406686777146538362019-09-25T15:49:10.684-06:002019-09-25T15:49:10.684-06:00I agree that by the time of Claudio (apologies to ...I agree that by the time of Claudio (apologies to the memory of Tiberius Claudius Drusus Nero Germanicus inter alia, worshiped as a god by the native speakers of Colchester here in England), 12 former generations of Roman schoolboys had learnt Etruscan. One of Claudius' wives was Etruscan. He wrote a book on the language and grammar, presumed lost in antiquity, although we live in hope. The first book on English grammar was written in Shakespear's time and it was published in Latin. Admittedly, less than 1% of the population of Latium could afford schooling fees, yet 100% of those persons( Etruscan word)learnt language on their mother's lap. In the " Rape of the Sabines" were the mothers of Roman or Etruscan provenance? In AD 711, 2000 moorish warriors, all male crossed the Straits of Gibraltar. 12 generations later most sultans had blue eyes and blond hair but wrote and spoke Arabic even though their mothers had Phonaecian, Greek origins ...<br />Forty generations of my own ancestors, at the head of the Loxley valley NW Sheffield never left the area, so it's a disappearing surname now, also for their Brito Celtic mothers surnames. They were the first to make high quality crucible steel, and latterly differentially tempered steel plating for the first Victorian dreadnought (drednowt) battleships. We always thought that the Danes never made it to the head of the valley, yet the Romans did, but retained the names of the Celtic gods, Gwertha and her son Dun.<br />I would afdd that all origins are cryptic.<br /> <br />Graham Dungworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355209024912564624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-47227438316596828092019-09-25T13:44:03.630-06:002019-09-25T13:44:03.630-06:00There is an argument for that. I disagree that Etr...There is an argument for that. I disagree that Etruscans were genetically identical to Italic speakers. For example, the Etruscans have a fairly narrow pool of common ancestors distinct from other native Italians. More evidence stirring the pot at https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04-15/where-did-etruscan-people-come-we-still-dont-know-linguistic-and-genetic-clues and http://oro.open.ac.uk/50571/1/08_Perkins%20proofs.pdf and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707618941 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2189563/ and https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0055519 and https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.22319 and https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2008224 and https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105920d<br /><br />I would say that the linguistic origin is cryptic.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-91179583429595165632019-09-25T12:17:06.894-06:002019-09-25T12:17:06.894-06:00According to teasers, Etruscans were genetically i...According to teasers, Etruscans were genetically identical to Italic speakers. Iron age Italians were a two-way mix between Bell Beaker-derived Indo EUropean speaking people form the North and native Neolithic-derived Italians. <br /><br />Etruscans got their Steppe admix, Y DNA R1b from Bell Beaker. But their language is from Neolithic Italy. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.com