tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post7766768818822602377..comments2024-03-27T22:28:06.861-06:00Comments on Dispatches From Turtle Island: What Would Have Been Different If The Persians Had Defeated The Greeks? UPDATEDAndrew Oh-Willekehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-26300233921403116972020-06-05T04:47:01.134-06:002020-06-05T04:47:01.134-06:00If the Greco-Persian War had been won by the Persi...If the Greco-Persian War had been won by the Persians and all of Hellas had fallen to Persia, Athens would certainly not turn into the center of Greek civilization and philosophy beginning from the 5th century BC.<br /><br />In our own history, it was the western Anatolian Greek lands, specifically Ionia, and, to a lesser extent, Magna Graecia (the Southern Italian Greek lands) that were at the center of Greek civilization and philosophy well into the mid-5th century BC. It is worth noting that the western Anatolian Greek lands continued to flourish throughout the Persian rule. But after the failures of the Persians in conquering Hellas in the early 5th century BC, Athens turned into an attraction center owing to its great political influence in the Delian League, which had been formed to fight and resist the Persians following the Athenian victories in the early 5th century BC and brought the newly-liberated western Anatolian Greek cities under Athenian sphere of influence. So in an alternative history in which the Persians conquered all of Hellas in the early 5th century, Athens would not turn into an attraction center and the western Anatolian and Southern Italian Greek lands would probably preserve their central position in Greek civilization and philosophy for a long time.<br /><br />Would Greek civilization and philosophy still have the influence they have had in our own history in this alternative history of Persian domination of Hellas (and probably also many more regions in Europe)? Certainly not, but the Greeks could still have a high influence considering the influence of the Greeks on the non-Greek peoples of the Balkans, Asia Minor and Italy already before the conquests of Alexander the Great in our own history.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-73759964475896273372020-06-05T04:44:39.271-06:002020-06-05T04:44:39.271-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-89082990392114546392020-06-02T13:13:14.145-06:002020-06-02T13:13:14.145-06:00"Greek Buddha: Pyrrho’s Encounter with Early ..."Greek Buddha: Pyrrho’s Encounter with Early Buddhism in Central Asia. Looks very interesting from Christopher Beckwith.<br /><br />Here’s a crazy assertion: the victory of legal analysis in Sunni Islam over philosophy is the victory of Turanian Buddhism over Greek paganism."andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-67043643816299372532020-06-02T12:09:57.937-06:002020-06-02T12:09:57.937-06:00I think the Council of Nicea to which you are refe...I think the Council of Nicea to which you are referring was in 325 CE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaeaandrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-29571925705619520362020-06-02T11:09:12.339-06:002020-06-02T11:09:12.339-06:00Actually, upon reflection, what has changed?
Infa...Actually, upon reflection, what has changed?<br /><br />Infact with the collection of Greek States, more Greeks fought with Xerxes against Greece than for it.<br /><br />The democracy in Athens was just for Greek males in the demes. Women didn't just stay inside their homes the wrought iron bars on the windows was to keep them inside and to keep outsiders out. It was also a slave owning democracy throughout the city states.<br /><br />At the coucil of Nicea in 335AD, that Constantine called to resolve Christian heresies, he invited each bishop to be accompanied by 2 presbiters and 5 slaves. As a youth I was taught that the British abolished slavery in 1833. I may chortle here but it's serious stuff. Perhaps it's rare and illegal but it exists here and now and in the UK.<br /><br />Name me one civilisation where systemic racism didn't exist?<br /><br />In HG Well's "War of the Worlds" the invaders didn't discriminate on the grounds of race or colour and it was the lowly bacteria that finished them off and not human will.<br /><br />What has changed? Well these notes certainly wouldn't be published now in the English language, more probably machine code. Is it encrypted?<br /><br />Why Solomon? Early Christian branded heretics claim that Herod's wife Salome was exiled to Lyon and buried there,in Gaul, France which Claudius ( respectfully Tiberius Claudius Nero Drusus Germanicus) founded in AD43; subtract 336 years if you are a Christian Copt.<br />Few leaders of nations ever bothered to wave a Christian bible in public.Such an outcome would be infinitessimally improbable, and yet it's wholly commonplace for a Khoran in Islam- and that's what we've got!Graham Dungworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355209024912564624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7315236707728759521.post-87792514293867211992020-06-02T09:32:07.322-06:002020-06-02T09:32:07.322-06:00Barry Strauss "Salamis" 2004 makes the s...Barry Strauss "Salamis" 2004 makes the same point. Had Themostocles strategy backfired, as a consequence of the daily weather pattern, our world would be vastly different, not just in culture but in the timing of future civilisations.<br />However, two millenia ago, where would be now had the equivalents of say Galileo, Kepler and Newton appeared on the scene? There must be a googleplex number of alternative scenarios, ignoring multiverse equivalents. Might there be a transinfinate number of possibilities?<br /><br />Graham Dungworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355209024912564624noreply@blogger.com