I haven't read either of them, but the papers seem to make pretty big claims. If I get I chance, I'll blog them and write more.
The effort to discover a quantum theory of gravity is motivated by the need to reconcile the incompatibility between quantum theory and general relativity.
Here, we present an alternative approach by constructing a consistent theory of classical gravity coupled to quantum field theory. The dynamics is linear in the density matrix, completely positive and trace preserving, and reduces to Einstein's theory of general relativity in the classical limit. Consequently, the dynamics doesn't suffer from the pathologies of the semiclassical theory based on expectation values.
The assumption that general relativity is classical necessarily modifies the dynamical laws of quantum mechanics -- the theory must be fundamentally stochastic in both the metric degrees of freedom and in the quantum matter fields. This allows it to evade several no-go theorems purporting to forbid classical-quantum interactions.
The measurement postulate of quantum mechanics is not needed -- the interaction of the quantum degrees of freedom with classical space-time necessarily causes decoherence in the quantum system.
We first derive the general form of classical-quantum dynamics and consider realisations which have as its limit deterministic classical Hamiltonian evolution. The formalism is then applied to quantum field theory interacting with the classical space-time metric.
One can view the classical-quantum theory as fundamental or as an effective theory useful for computing the back-reaction of quantum fields on geometry. We discuss a number of open questions from the perspective of both viewpoints.
Jonathan Oppenheim, "A postquantum theory of classical gravity?", Physical Review X (2023). journals.aps.org/prx/accepted/ … 584bc2567e68f9f76c1e. On arXiv: DOI: 10.48550/arxiv.1811.03116 (Comments: "It's very difficult to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.")
We consider two interacting systems when one is treated classically while the other system remains quantum. Consistent dynamics of this coupling has been shown to exist, and explored in the context of treating space-time classically.
Here, we prove that any such hybrid dynamics necessarily results in decoherence of the quantum system, and a breakdown in predictability in the classical phase space. We further prove that a trade-off between the rate of this decoherence and the degree of diffusion induced in the classical system is a general feature of all classical quantum dynamics; long coherence times require strong diffusion in phase-space relative to the strength of the coupling.
Applying the trade-off relation to gravity, we find a relationship between the strength of gravitationally-induced decoherence versus diffusion of the metric and its conjugate momenta. This provides an experimental signature of theories in which gravity is fundamentally classical.
Bounds on decoherence rates arising from current interferometry experiments, combined with precision measurements of mass, place significant restrictions on theories where Einstein’s classical theory of gravity interacts with quantum matter. We find that part of the parameter space of such theories are already squeezed out, and provide figures of merit which can be used in future mass measurements and interference experiments.
Jonathan Oppenheim et al, "Gravitationally induced decoherence vs space-time diffusion: testing the quantum nature of gravity", Nature Communications (2023). DOI: 10.1038/s41467-023-43348-2 (open access).
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1 physicist has review the results from γγ invariant mass spectra by Abraamyan et al. at JINR.
High Energy Physics - Phenomenology
arXiv:2312.02763 (hep-ph)
[Submitted on 5 Dec 2023]
QCD sum rule studies on the possible double-peak structure of the X17 particle
Hua-Xing Chen
"The X17 particle, discovered by Krasznahorkay et al. at ATOMKI, was recently confirmed in the γγ invariant mass spectra by Abraamyan et al. at JINR. We notice with surprise and interest that the X17 seems to have a double-peak structure."
Subjects: High Energy Physics - Phenomenology (hep-ph)
Cite as: arXiv:2312.02763 [hep-ph]
Hua-Xing Chen
Beihang University (BUAA) | BUAA · Department of Physics
PhD
194
Publications
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hua-Xing-Chen
For convenience, note previous posts at this blog on the subject:
https://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2023/06/pion-decays-rule-out-vector-x17-bosons.html
https://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-analysis-disfavors-x17-particle.html
https://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2019/11/hungarian-scientists-almost-surely.html
A successful explanation has to rule out the signal as an experimental measurement error, or rule out a signal that does exist as not arising from SM physics in a reasonably complex system.
Also, there are lots of reasons that X17 is not a good dark matter candidate (it is too massive to have wave-like behavior similar to observed DM phenomena, it is short lived while DM needs to be long lived, it seems to have too strong of an interaction with ordinary matter if it exits, etc.)
The cited paper, BTW, suggests a tetraquark within the sea quarks of a hadron, not a new fundamental particle:
"The hadron is a composite particle made of quarks and gluons bound together by the strong interaction. Take the proton as an example, it is composed of two valence up quarks and one valence down quark in the traditional quark model, but with the development of QCD as the theory of the strong interaction, we realize that the proton also contains numberless seaquarks and gluons [4]. Especially, there can be some sea quarks, whose combination is color singlet. The color confinement, as an essential property of QCD, demands that color-charged particles cannot be isolated, and therefore, cannot be directly observed in normal conditions below the Hagedorn temperature T≈150MeV. Now, a natural question arises: is the color-singlet combination of sea quarks confined in the hadron? In 2016 Krasznahorkayetal. studied the nuclear reaction 7Li(p,e+e−)8Be at ATOMKI, and observed an anomaly in the angular correlation of the e+e− emission from the excited 8Be nucleus [1]. Later in 2019 and 2022 they observed the same anomaly in the decays of the excited 4He and 12C nuclei [5–7]. This anomaly was interpreted as the signature of a neutral boson with the mass about 17MeV, called the“X17” particle, whose observations attracted much interest from theorists. Various explanations were proposed, such as a fifth force[813], dark matter[14–19],nuclear physics models[20,21], QCD axion[22–25], and QED meson[26, 27], etc. We refer to the reviews[28,29] for detailed discussions, and note that the nature of the X17 particle is still far beyond our understanding. In 2020 we investigated the possible assignment of the X17 particle as a tetraquark state composed of four bare quarks[3].This state is similar to the color-singlet combination of sea quarks in some aspects. Assuming the two chiral tetraquark currents(detailed explanations will be given later) JLL= ¯ uLγµdL ¯ dLγµuL, JLR= ¯ uLγµdL ¯ dRγµuR, respectively couple to the two tetraquark states XLLand XLR, we used the QCD sum rule method to calculate their masses to be both about 17.3+1.4 −1.7MeV. We also studied their decay properties in Ref. [3],but found the width of XLR to be significantly smaller than that of XLL. Therefore, we arrived at the unique feature of our tetraquark assignment that “we predict two almost degenerate states with significantly different widths”. Very recently, Abraamyan et al. studied the pC,dC, and dCu collisions at JINR, and observed two enhanced structures in the γγ invariant mass spectra at about 17MeV and 38MeV[2].This observation confirmed the occurrence of the X17 particle at different initial conditions and from different decay channels. We notice with surprise and interest that there seems to exist two peaks in the γγ invariant mass spectra at about 17MeV. This indicates that the X17 may have a double-peak structure, which is in a possible coincidence with our QCD sum rules study of Ref. [3]."
Also, there are lots of reasons that X17 is not a good dark matter candidate (it is too massive to have wave-like behavior similar to observed DM phenomena, it is short lived while DM needs to be long lived, it seems to have too strong of an interaction with ordinary matter if it exits, etc.)
this is recent
arXiv:2311.14099 (hep-ph)
[Submitted on 23 Nov 2023]
Explaining ATOMKI, (g−2)μ, and MiniBooNE anomalies with light mediators in U(1)H extended model
Sumit Ghosh, Pyungwon Ko
We consider U(1)H extensions of Type-I 2HDM plus a singlet scalar ϕH, introducing a new Higgs doublet H2 and a singlet ϕH charged under U(1)H. The SM Higgs doublet H1 as well as all the SM fermions and three right-handed singlet neutrinos, introduced to generate nonzero neutrino masses and mixings, are neutral under U(1)H. We also introduce a SM singlet Dirac fermion, charged under U(1)H and utilize it as sterile neutrinos relevant to the MiniBooNE experiment. The U(1)H symmetry breaks due to the vacuum expectation values of H2 and ϕH, leading to the emergence of a light vector boson with a mass of approximately 17 MeV. This vector boson interacts with fermions through mass mixing and kinetic mixing process involving other neutral gauge bosons. Furthermore, alongside the light vector boson, another light scalar particle with a mass around 10--100 MeV may arise from scalar sector mixing. By utilizing the gauge couplings of the light vector boson and the Yukawa couplings of the light scalar, this model can simultaneously provide an explanation for the Beryllium anomaly observed in the ATOMKI experiment, the anomalous magnetic moment of charged leptons and the excess of electron-like events detected at the MiniBooNE experiment.
Comments: 32 pages, 4 figures, 3 tables
Subjects: High Energy Physics - Phenomenology (hep-ph)
Cite as: arXiv:2311.14099 [hep-ph]
interest
Furthermore, alongside the light vector boson, another light scalar particle with a mass around 10--100 MeV may arise from scalar sector mixing.
detection of the particles with masses of about 17 and 38 MeV/c2 decaying into a pair of photons.
We also introduce a SM singlet Dirac fermion, charged under U(1)H and utilize it as sterile neutrinos relevant to the MiniBooNE
there might be a scalar 38 MeV
I'm waiting for other experiments to like PADME and Meg 2
Oppenheim must have good PR, because his "theory" is getting far more media attention than professional attention.
His big idea just seems to be, what if a semiclassical approach to gravity - classical gravity coupled to quantum fields - is the whole story, rather than just an approximation?
I have no idea to what extent his models are original, versus being a recycling of already existing semiclassical approximations.
The merit I do see in his work, is that it is probing the general question of which properties become real (definite), and when, in a quantum+gravity scenario. This is a question still relevant in other frameworks, e.g. Gell-Mann Hartle decoherent histories.
But note well, if there's no quantum gravity, there's no quantum gravity explanation of MOND! So we might even consider MOND, mild counterevidence to his theory.
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