Tuesday, October 21, 2025
The Hunter-Gather To Bronze Age Transition In Kazakhstan
A Search For X17 Comes Up Empty And Assorted Astrophysics Papers
Today's preprint harvest was abundant and I have a little time to blog this morning.
An X17 paper
BESIII searched for an X17 boson and didn't find it.
We report a direct search for a new gauge boson, X, with a mass of 17 MeV/c^2, which could explain the anomalous excess of e+e− pairs observed in the 8Be nuclear transitions. The search is conducted in the charmonium decay χcJ→XJ/ψ (J = 0,1,2) via the radiative transition ψ(3686)→γχcJ using (2712.4 ± 14.3) × 10^6 ψ(3686) events collected with the BESIII detector at the BEPCII collider. No significant signal is observed, and the new upper limit on the coupling strength of charm quark and the new gauge boson, ϵc, at 17 MeV/c^2 is set to be |ϵc| < 1.2 × 10^−2 at 90% confidence level. We also report new constraints on the mixing strength ϵ between the Standard Model photon and dark photon γ′ in the mass range from 5 MeV/c^2 to 300 MeV/c^2. The upper limits at 90% confidence level vary within (2.5−17.5) × 10^−3 depending on the γ′ mass.
The mass-size relations of galaxies are generally studied considering only stars or only gas separately. Here we study the baryonic mass-size relation of galaxies from the SPARC database, using the total baryonic mass (Mbar) and the baryonic half-mass radius (R50,bar). We find that SPARC galaxies define two distinct sequences in the Mbar−R50,bar plane: one that formed by high-surface-density (HSD), star-dominated, Sa-to-Sc galaxies, and one by low-surface-density (LSD), gas-dominated, Sd-to-dI galaxies. The Mbar−R50,bar relation of LSD galaxies has a slope close to 2, pointing to a constant average surface density, whereas that of HSD galaxies has a slope close to 1, indicating that less massive spirals are progressively more compact.
Our results point to the existence of two types of star-forming galaxies that follow different evolutionary paths: HSD disks are very efficient in converting gas into stars, perhaps thanks to the efficient formation of non-axisymmetric structures (bars and spiral arms), whereas LSD disks are not.
The HSD-LSD dichotomy is absent in the baryonic Tully-Fisher relation (Mbar versus flat circular velocity Vf) but moderately seen in the angular-momentum relation (approximately Mbar versus Vf×R50,bar), so it is driven by variations in R50,bar at fixed Mbar. This fact suggests that the baryonic mass-size relation is the most effective empirical tool to distinguish different galaxy types and study their evolution.
Zichen Hua, Federico Lelli, Enrico Di Teodoro, Stacy McGaugh, James Schombert, "The baryonic mass-size relation of galaxies. I. A dichotomy in star-forming galaxy disks" arXiv:2510.17770 (October 20, 2025) (accepted by Astronomy & Astrophysics).
The creator of MOND muses in a public lecture about what a fundamental theory explaining MOND (a FUNDAMOND) has to look like:
In default of a fundamental MOND theory -- a FUNDAMOND -- I advocate that, alongside searching for one, we should try to identify predictions that follow from wide classes of MOND theories, if not necessarily from all. In particular, predictions that follow from only the basic tenets of MOND -- ``primary predictions'' -- are shared by all MOND theories, and are especially valuable. Such predictions permit us to test the MOND paradigm itself, or at least large parts of it, without yet having a FUNDAMOND.
Concentrating on the deep-MOND limit, I discuss examples of either type of predictions.
For some examples of primary predictions, I demonstrate how they follow from the basic tenets (which I first formulate). I emphasize that even predictions that pertain to the deep-MOND limit - namely, those that concern gravitating systems that have low accelerations everywhere -- require the full set of MOND tenets, including the existence of a Newtonian limit close to the deep-MOND regime. This is because Newtonian dynamics is a unique theory that all MOND theories must tend to in the limit of high accelerations, and it strongly constrains aspects of the deep-MOND regime, if the transition between the limits is fast enough, which is one of the MOND tenets.
Under carefully chosen assumptions a single general relativistic scalar field is able to induce MOND-like dynamics in the weak field approximation of the Einstein frame (gauge) and to modify the light cone structure accordingly.
This is shown by a Lagrangian model formulated in the framework of integrable Weyl geometry. It contains a Bekenstein-type (``aquadratic'') term and a second order term generating additional mass energy for the scalar field. Both are switched on only if the gradient of the scalar field is spacelike and below a MOND-typical threshold, like in the superfluid model of Berezhiani/Khoury. The mass term induces non-negligible energy and pressures of the scalar field and leads to gravitational light deflection compatible with MOND-ian free fall trajectories. In the weak field (Newton-Milgrom) approximation the Bekenstein term implies a deep MOND equation for the scalar field. In this model the external field effect of the MOND approach has to be reconsidered. This has important consequences for hierarchical systems like clusters, which may suffice for explaining their dynamics without additional dark matter
There is a claim in the literature that charged dark matter particles in the mass range 100(qX/e)^2 TeV≤mX≤10^8(qX/e) TeV are allowed, based on arguing that heavy charged particles cannot reach the Earth from outside the magnetized region of the Milky Way (Chuzhoy-Kolb, 2009). We point out that this claim fails for physical models for the Galactic magnetic field. We explicitly confirm our argument by simulating with the software CRPropa the trajectories of heavy charged dark matter in models of the Galactic magnetic field.
Thursday, October 16, 2025
The Population Genetics Of Egypt Have Been Stable For A Long Time
An ancient DNA sample from ca. 2500 BCE in Egypt reveals a great deal of continuity in the population genetics of Egypt then and the population genetics of Egypt today.
I didn't have a lot of time to look carefully at this study, but prior studies have shown a modest increase in sub-Saharan African admixture since then, due to the trans-Saharan slave trade in more recent time periods.
Ultralight Dark Matter
While ultra-light bosonic dark matter (ULDM) in a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC) state could naturally account for the central core in some galaxies and resolve the core-cusp problem, the dark matter density distribution in the outer regions of galaxies remains less explored. We propose a trial wavefunction to model the ULDM distribution beyond the BEC core. We derive the corresponding rotation velocity curve, which shows excellent agreement with those of 12 dwarf spheroidal galaxies. The best-fit ULDM particle mass for each dwarf galaxy falls within a strikingly narrow range of m = (1.8−3.2) × 10^−23 eV.
Tuesday, October 14, 2025
A Quantum Gravity Observation From Sabine
I present a simple argument for why a fundamental theory that unifies matter and gravity gives rise to what seems to be a collapse of the wavefunction. The resulting model is local, parameter-free and makes testable predictions.
I have shown here how the assumption that matter and geometry have the same fundamental origin requires the time evolution of a quantum state to differ from the Schr¨odinger equation. This has the consequence that the ideal time evolutions which minimise the action are those with end states that are to good approximation classical. We can then identify these end states with the eigenstates of the measurement device.
This new model therefore explains why quantum states seem to ‘collapse’ into eigenstates of the measurement observable, and how this can happen while preserving locality. Since the collapse process is governed by quantum gravitational contributions whose strength is known, the resulting model is parameter free.
Collapse happens in this model whenever the accumulated phase difference between dislocated branches, τm|Φ12|, exceeds ∼ 1. The model’s phenomenology—notably the collapse itself—can be tested in roughly the same parameter range as other tests of the weak field limit of quantum gravity.
Thursday, October 9, 2025
A Proposal To Explain The Neutrino Mixing Angles
Many papers try to explain fundamental constants in the Standard Model in terms of deeper relationships. This attempt to gain insight into the neutrino oscillation parameters is more thought provoking than most.
We propose a geometric hypothesis for neutrino mixing: twice the sum of the three mixing angles equals 180∘, forming a Euclidean triangle. This condition leads to a predictive relation among the mixing angles and, through trigonometric constraints, enables reconstruction of the mass-squared splittings.
The hypothesis offers a phenomenological resolution to the θ23 octant ambiguity, reproduces the known mass hierarchy patterns, and suggests a normalized geometric structure underlying the PMNS mixing.
We show that while an order-of-magnitude scale mismatch remains (the absolute splittings are underestimated by ∼10×), the triangle reproduces mixing ratios with notable accuracy, hinting at deeper structural or symmetry-based origins.
We emphasize that the triangle relation is advanced as an empirical, phenomenological organizing principle rather than a result derived from a specific underlying symmetry or dynamics.
It is testable and falsifiable: current global-fit values already lie close to satisfying the condition, and improved precision will confirm or refute it. We also outline and implement a simple χ2 consistency check against global-fit inputs to quantify agreement within present uncertainties.
Does Non-Perturbative QCD Have A Cosmological Constant Analog?
A new paper explores a potential parallel between non-perturbative quantum chromodynamics (the physics of the strong force that binds quarks into hadronic structures) and gravity. This isn't entirely surprising, as both are non-abelian gauge theories. And, it suggests that features like the cosmological constant may have a natural source in a non-abelian quantum gravity theory.
Einsteins gravity with a cosmological constant Λ in four dimensions can be reformulated as a λϕ^4 theory characterized solely by the dimensionless coupling λ∝G(N)Λ (G(N) being Newton's constant). The quantum triviality of this theory drives λ → 0, and a deviation from this behavior could be generated by matter couplings. Here, we study the significance of this conformal symmetry and its breaking in modeling non-perturbative QCD. The hadron spectra and correlation functions are studied holographically in an AdS(5) geometry with induced cosmological constants on four-dimensional hypersurface.Our analysis shows that the experimentally measured spectra of the ρ and a(1) mesons, including their excitations and decay constants, favour a non-vanishing induced cosmological constant in both hard-wall and soft-wall models. Although this behavior is not as sharp in the soft-wall model as in the hard-wall model, it remains consistent. Furthermore, we show that the correction to the Gell-Mann-Oakes-Renner relation has an inverse dependence on the induced cosmological constant, underscoring its significance in holographic descriptions of low-energy QCD.
A New Paper Argues For Dark Matter Over MOND
A tight correlation between the baryonic and observed acceleration of galaxies has been reported over a wide range of mass (10^8 < Mbar/M⊙ < 10^11) - the Radial Acceleration Relation (RAR). This has been interpreted as evidence that dark matter is actually a manifestation of some modified weak-field gravity theory.
In this paper, we study the radially resolved RAR of 12 nearby dwarf galaxies, with baryonic masses in the range 10^4 < Mbar/M⊙ < 10^7.5, using a combination of literature data and data from the MUSE-Faint survey. We use stellar line-of-sight velocities and the Jeans modelling code GravSphere to infer the mass distributions of these galaxies, allowing us to compute the RAR. We compare the results with the EDGE simulations of isolated dwarf galaxies with similar stellar masses in a ΛCDM cosmology.
We find that most of the observed dwarf galaxies lie systematically above the low-mass extrapolation of the RAR. Each galaxy traces a locus in the RAR space that can have a multi-valued observed acceleration for a given baryonic acceleration, while there is significant scatter from galaxy to galaxy.
Our results indicate that the RAR does not apply to low-mass dwarf galaxies and that the inferred baryonic acceleration of these dwarfs does not contain enough information, on its own, to derive the observed acceleration.
The simulated EDGE dwarfs behave similarly to the real data, lying systematically above the extrapolated RAR. We show that, in the context of modified weak-field gravity theories, these results cannot be explained by differential tidal forces from the Milky Way, nor by the galaxies being far from dynamical equilibrium, since none of the galaxies in our sample seems to experience strong tides. As such, our results provide further evidence for the need for invisible dark matter in the smallest dwarf galaxies.
Sunday, October 5, 2025
How Flat Is The Universe?
The planet Earth is, to a good approximation, a perfect sphere. But, it isn't perfectly spherical.
Space-time in the universe as a whole is, to a good approximation, perfectly Euclidian. But, it has some curvature.
The magnitude by which the Earth differs from being a perfect sphere (in relative terms) is roughly similar to the magnitude by which the universe differs from being perfectly Euclidian. And, both on average and at the greatest extremes, Earth differs less from being perfectly spherical in relative terms, than the space-time of the universe differs from being perfectly Euclidean.
Friday, September 26, 2025
The ABC Conjecture Has Probably Not Been Proven
James Douglas Boyd has recently spent a lot of time interacting with Mochizuki and others at RIMS working in anabelian geometry. Material from interviews he conducted are available here (Mochizuki on IUT) and here (on anabelian geometry at RIMS). He also has written a summary of IUT and of the basic problem with the abc proof. These include detailed comments on the issue pointed out by Scholze-Stix and why this is a significant problem for the proof. I’d be curious to hear from anyone who has looked at this closely about whether they agree with Boyd’s characterization of the situation.There’s also a lot of material [about] the IUT ideas, independent of the problematic abc proof, and about what Mochizuki and others are now trying to do with these ideas.
The abc conjecture (also known as the Oesterlé–Masser conjecture) is a conjecture in number theory that arose out of a discussion of Joseph Oesterlé and David Masser in 1985. It is stated in terms of three positive integers a,b and c (hence the name) that are relatively prime and satisfy a+b=c. The conjecture essentially states that the product of the distinct prime factors of abc cannot often be much smaller than c. A number of famous conjectures and theorems in number theory would follow immediately from the abc conjecture or its versions. Mathematician Dorian Goldfeld described the abc conjecture as "The most important unsolved problem in Diophantine analysis".The abc conjecture originated as the outcome of attempts by Oesterlé and Masser to understand the Szpiro conjecture about elliptic curves, which involves more geometric structures in its statement than the abc conjecture. The abc conjecture was shown to be equivalent to the modified Szpiro's conjecture.Various attempts to prove the abc conjecture have been made, but none have gained broad acceptance. Shinichi Mochizuki claimed to have a proof in 2012, but the conjecture is still regarded as unproven by the mainstream mathematical community.
Thursday, September 25, 2025
There is no 690 GeV resonance
Once again, a long standing, but sub-five sigma "bump" in particle accelerator results turns out to be explained by better analysis of what the background expectation without the new predicted particle should look like, and not "new physics". The low significance bump is also suspiciously close to four times the top quark mass at that energy scale.
I full expect the search for the X17 boson to end the same way.
Sadly, these pet ideas are zombies that persist in preprints, experimental efforts, and published papers long after they should have been abandoned.
In a series of ∼30 papers starting in 1991, it has been claimed that the Higgs field should be heavier than its now-measured value. To reconcile this idea with reality, it was modified to the assertion that the Higgs field describes two physical degrees of freedom, one of which corresponds to a second Higgs particle with mass 690 GeV. Here I summarize the lack of theoretical and experimental evidence for these claims.
Recently Ref. [1] reiterated the claim, already made in Refs. [2–14], that the Higgs field has an excited state with mass 690 GeV. This appears to be a modification of an earlier idea [15–28], pursued by one of the same authors, that the Higgs mass could or should be above the perturbative unitarity limit ∼ 700 GeV, as heavy as 2 TeV, depending upon the year of publication. The theoretical motivation for this prediction was the claim [29, 30] that λϕ^4 is not trivial, as is usually believed, but rather has a radiatively generated spontaneous symmetric phase (as predicted by the Coleman-Weinberg one-loop potential), in which it is asymptotically free.11 The triviality of ϕ^4 theory, long believed to be the case, was proven in Ref. [31].
It was also claimed that the vacuum expectation value (VEV) of the scalar field gets renormalized by a different factor Z(v) than the fluctuations around the VEV, Z(ϕ), so that the usual relation between the Higgs mass and the VEV is modified by a factor Z(ϕ)/Z(v) which must be determined by lattice simulations, and predicts m(h) = 760 ± 20 GeV [17].
With the experimental discovery of the Higgs with mass m(h) = 125GeV, one might have hoped for such claims to be put to rest, but a way to have one’s cake and eat it too was found. It somehow goes back to the aforementioned idea, that pure λϕ^4 theory has spontaneous symmetry breaking `a la Coleman-Weinberg, despite the usual reservations that the perturbative calculation leading to that result cannot be trusted. The authors argue that now there are two mass scales in the potential: one is m(h)^2, the curvature of the potential V at its minimum, and the other is M(H)^4 = ∆V, from the depth of the potential minimum, which was generated by radiative symmetry breaking. It is not clear why this extra scale should correspond to an additional propagating degree of freedom.
In order for a single field to describe two degrees of freedom, the propagator must have two poles, which usually arises from a higher derivative action containing ghosts. In the present case, the authors claim that nonperturbative effects generate the propagator structure
G= i/(p^2 − M(H)^2*A(p^2)) (1)
where A is a function such that A(m(h)^2) = m(h)^2/M(H)^2 and A(M(H)^2) = 1. The detailed form of A(p) is not disclosed, so we are forced to guess.2
2 Ref. [1] says that this behavior was verified on the lattice in Ref. [13], but that reference purports to show that the form of the inverse propagator is (p^2 − m(h)^2)f(p), where f(p) has the same properties as A(p) in Eq. (1). This is puzzling since f(p) corresponds to wave function renormalization, while A(p) is the self-energy.
It cannot be linear in p^2 since that would give G = i/0; hence the next simplest analytic possibility is quartic, A = 1 + (p^4/M(H)^4)(M(H)^2/m(h)^2 − 1). With this choice, we find for m(h) ≪ M(H)
G ∼ = −iM(H)^2/((p^2 − M(H)^2)(p^2 − m(h)^2)), (2)
which has the wrong sign for the heavy degree of freedom. The heavy particle is a ghost, as expected from a theory with a higher-derivative Lagrangian. The theoretical motivations for the “resonance” (unaptly named, since it is supposed to be coming from an elementary Higgs field, not a composite particle) are problematic.Let us turn then to the experimental evidence, which the LHC collaborations must have been very excited to discover. In Ref. [12] the authors discerned a bump in the ATLAS search [32] for heavy resonances decaying to ZZ → 4ℓ at m(H) ∼700GeV. The authors note that H should be dominantly produced through the gluon-gluon fusion (ggF) process, with negligible production from vector boson fusion (VBF). Fig. 1 reproduces the main results from the two papers. The ATLAS ggF limit has a 2-σ excess at 662GeV, which receives no comment in the ATLAS paper, and only upper limits are quoted.The CMS collaboration took note of Ref. [12]’s prediction of an excess in this channel in their later search [33]. They also reported no significant excess.
Since the original suggestion [12], there have been an additional ten papers [1–10] by various combinations of the authors emphasizing the predicted excess, lest we should forget. None of them are referred to by the experimental collaborations. In fact, of the 44 citations to these papers, all but 11 are self-cites. The authors find an equally convincing bump in the H → hh channel, leading them to “spell out a definite experimental signature of this resonance that is clearly visible in various LHC data.” A Nobel prize is sure to follow.
Wednesday, September 24, 2025
Does The Weak Mixing Angle Minimize Magic?
"Magic" is a quantum mechanical property that roughly speaking quantifies the extent to which a quantum computer is more powerful than a conventional computer.
The "weak mixing angle" is a physically measured quantity in electroweak unification theory, which treats the weak force and electromagnetism as having a common, unified origin and functional relationships to each other, in which three weak isospin fields and a weak hypercharge field are transformed into the photon and the W+, W-, and Z bosons. It quantifies what transformation from an idealized state in the theory is necessary to produce the world that we actually see.
It turns out that quantum magic appears to be minimized at very close to the weak mixing angle at the Z boson mass energy scale. Since the amount of magic at the Z boson mass energy scale can be calculated in the Standard Model, rather than merely measured experimentally, this potentially makes the weak mixing angle a derived constant rather than an experimentally measured fundamental constant. It is also suggestive of how the weak mixing angle arises at a fundamental level.
Friday, September 19, 2025
The Latest X17 Paper's Model Isn't Confidence Inspiring
The so-called X17 particle has been proposed in order to explain a very significant resonant behaviour (in both the angular separation and invariant mass) of e+e− pairs produced during a nuclear transition of excited 8Be, 4He and 12C nuclei. Fits to the corresponding data point, as most probable explanation, to a spin-1 object, which is protophobic and has a mass of approximately 16.7 MeV, which then makes the X17 potentially observable in Coherent Elastic neutrino (ν) Nucleus Scattering (CEνNS) at the European Spallation Source (ESS).
By adopting as theoretical framework a minimal extension of the Standard Model (SM) with a generic U(1)′ gauge group mixing with the hypercharge one of the latter, which can naturally accommodate the X17 state compliant with all available measurements from a variety of experiments, we predict that CEνNS at the ESS will constitute an effective means to probe this hypothesis, even after allowing for the inevitable systematics associated to the performance of the planned detectors therein.
Thursday, September 18, 2025
Do We Really Need Either Dark Matter Or Modified Gravity?
This article isn't hot off the presses, but was referenced in the comments at the Triton Station blog. I am highly skeptical of the conclusion that Newtonian physics without dark matter or modified gravity can explain the dynamics of the Milky Way galaxy adequately, contrary to a wealth of literature to the contrary.
Vertical stellar kinematics+density can be used to trace the dark matter distribution (or the equivalent phantom mass in a Modified Newtonian Dynamics (MOND) scenario) through the Jeans equations.
In this paper, we want to improve this type of analysis by making use of the recent data of the 6D information from the Gaia DR3 survey in the anticenter and the Galactic poles to obtain the dynamical mass distribution near plane regions, including extended kinematics over a wide region of 8 kpc < R < 22 kpc, ∣z∣ < 3 kpc.
Our conclusions are as follows:
(i) the model of the spherical dark matter halos and the MOND model are compatible with the data;
(ii) the model of the disky matter (with density proportional to the gas density) is excluded;
(iii) the total lack of dark matter (there is only visible matter) within Newtonian gravity is compatible with the data; for instance, at solar Galactocentric radius, we obtained Σ = 39 ± 18 M⊙ pc^−2 for z = 1.05 kpc, compatible with the expected value for visible matter alone of 44 M⊙ pc^−2, thus allowing zero dark matter. Similarly, for R > R⊙, z = 1.05 kpc, Σ = 28.7 ± 9.6, 23.0 ± 5.7, 16.9 ± 5.8, and 11.4 ± 6.6 M⊙ pc^−2, respectively, for R = 10, 13, 16, and 19 kpc, compatible with visible matter alone.
Larger error bars in comparison with previous works are not due to worse data or a more awkward technique but to a stricter modeling of the stellar distribution.
Thursday, September 11, 2025
Where Does Language Complexity Evolve?
SignificanceA global test reveals statistically robust support for the hypothesis that complex word forms are more likely to develop in isolated languages. Polysynthesis, where words are built from many units to convey complex meanings, is more likely to occur in smaller populations and less likely to occur with many languages in contact. By building a global database of polysynthetic languages and analyzing in a phylospatial framework, this study highlights the potential for macroevolutionary methods to test hypotheses about language evolution and contribute to long-standing debates in linguistics.AbstractEvolution of complexity in human languages has been vigorously debated, including the proposal that complexity can build in small, isolated populations but is often lost in situations of language contact. If it is generally true that small, isolated languages can build morphological complexity over time, but complexity tends to be lost in situations of language contact, then we should find that forms of language complexity that have evolved multiple times will tend to be associated with population size, isolation, and language age.
We test this hypothesis by focusing on one particular form of morphological complexity, polysynthesis, where words built from many parts embody complex phrases. By assembling a global database of polysynthetic languages and conducting phylospatial analyses, we show that languages with highly complex word morphology are more likely to have small population sizes, less likely to occur with many other languages in direct contact, and have a greater tendency to be on long phylogenetically isolated lineages.
These findings are consistent with the hypothesis that languages that evolve in isolation for long periods may be more likely to accrue morphological complexity. Polysynthetic languages also tend to have higher levels of endangerment. Our results provide phylogenetically informed evidence that one particular form of complex language morphology is more likely to occur in small, isolated languages and is prone to loss in contact.
Tuesday, September 9, 2025
The Huns Were Paleo-Siberian, Not Linguistically Turkic (Also Slavic Origins)
A new paper makes a strong case that the Huns, a group of "barbarians" (in the eyes of Roman historians) who made multiple attempts to invade the Roman empire, spoke a Paleo-Siberian language (to which the Na-Dene languages of North America, such as Navajo, are distantly related), rather than a Turkic language, as conventional wisdom in historical linguistics prior to this paper had wrongly believed.
The Xiōng-nú were a tribal confederation who dominated Inner Asia from the third century BC to the second century AD. Xiōng-nú descendants later constituted the ethnic core of the European Huns. It has been argued that the Xiōng-nú spoke an Iranian, Turkic, Mongolic or Yeniseian language, but the linguistic affiliation of the Xiōng-nú and the Huns is still debated.
Here, we show that linguistic evidence from four independent domains does indeed suggest that the Xiōng-nú and the Huns spoke the same Paleo-Siberian language and that this was an early form of Arin, a member of the Yeniseian language family. This identification augments and confirms genetic and archaeological studies and inspires new interdisciplinary research on Eurasian population history.
New linguistic findings show that the European Huns had Paleo-Siberian ancestors and do not, as previously assumed, originate from Turkic-speaking groups. The joint study was conducted by Dr. Svenja Bonmann at the University of Cologne's Department of Linguistics and Dr. Simon Fries at the Faculty of Classics and the Faculty of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics at the University of Oxford.The results of the research, "Linguistic evidence suggests that Xiōng-nú and Huns spoke the same Paleo-Siberian language," have been published in the journal Transactions of the Philological Society.On the basis of various linguistic sources, the researchers reconstructed that the ethnic core of the Huns—including Attila and his European ruling dynasty—and their Asian ancestors, the so-called Xiongnu, shared a common language. This language belongs to the Yeniseian language family, a subgroup of the so-called Paleo-Siberian languages. These languages were spoken in Siberia before the invasion of Uralic, Turkic and Tungusic ethnic groups. Even today, small groups who speak a Yeniseian language still reside along the banks of the Yenisei River in Russia.From the 3rd century BCE to the 2nd century CE, the Xiongnu formed a loose tribal confederation in Inner Asia. A few years ago, during archaeological excavations in Mongolia, a city was discovered that is believed to be Long Cheng, the capital of the Xiongnu empire. The Huns, in turn, established a relatively short-lived but influential multi-ethnic empire in southeastern Europe from the 4th to 5th centuries CE.Research has shown that they came from Inner Asia, but their ethnic and linguistic origins have been disputed until now, as no written documents in their own language have survived. A great deal of what we know about the Huns and the Xiongnu is therefore based on written documents about them in other languages; for example, the term "Xiōng-nú' derives from Chinese.
[Based on the "World Topographic Map" by Esri. Sources: Esri, HERE, Garmin, Intermap, INCREMENT P, GEBCO, USGS, FAO, NPS, NRCAN, GeoBase, IGN, Kadaster NL, Ordnance Survey, Esri Japan, METI, Esri China (Hong Kong), OpenStreetMap contributors, GIS User Community, Simon Fries. Created with QGIS 3.36.]. Credit: Transactions of the Philological Society (2025). DOI: 10.1111/1467-968X.12321From the 7th century CE, Turkic peoples expanded westwards. It was therefore assumed that the Xiongnu and the ethnic core of the Huns, whose own westward expansion dates back to the 4th century CE, also spoke a Turkic language. However, Bonmann and Fries have found various linguistic indications that these groups spoke an early form of Arin, a Yeniseian language, in Inner Asia around the turn of the millennium."This was long before the Turkic peoples migrated to Inner Asia and even before the splitting of Old Turkic into several daughter languages. This ancient Arin language even influenced the early Turkic languages and enjoyed a certain prestige in Inner Asia. This implies that Old Arin was probably the native language of the Xiongnu ruling dynasty," says Bonmann.Bonmann and Fries analyzed linguistic data based on loan words, glosses in Chinese texts, proper names of the Hun dynasty as well as place and water names. Taken by itself, the data on each of these aspects would have comparatively little significance, but taken together it is hard to argue with the conclusion that both the ruling dynasty of the Xiongnu and the ethnic core of the Huns spoke Old Arin.The findings of the study also made it possible for the first time to reconstruct how the Huns came to settle in Europe: For the two researchers, place and water names still prove today that an Arin-speaking population once left its mark on Inner Asia and migrated westwards from the Altai-Sayan region. Attila the Hun probably also bears an ancient Arin name: Until now, "Attila" was thought to be a Germanic nickname ("little father"), but according to the new study, "Attila" could also be interpreted as a Yeniseian epithet, which roughly translates as "swift-ish, quick-ish."The new linguistic findings support earlier genetic and archaeological findings that the European Huns are descendants of the Xiongnu. "Our study shows that alongside archaeology and genetics, comparative philology plays an essential role in the exploration of human history. We hope that our findings will inspire further research into the history of lesser-known languages and thereby contribute further to our understanding of the linguistic evolution of mankind," concludes Fries.
In the body text, a section of the paper explores the previous conventional wisdom and its difficulties:
Although direct evidence is lacking, Iranian, Turkic and Mongolic languages have all been proposed as the language of the ruling dynasty of the Xiōng-nú (cf. e.g. Shiratori 1900; Benzing 1959; Pritsak 1982; Bailey 1985; Dybo 2007; Janhunen 2010; Beckwith 2018; Beckwith 2022) and of the Huns (cf. e.g. Doerfer 1973; Pritsak 1982; Savelyev 2020; Savelyev & Jeong 2020), because in the 1st millennium AD languages from these three families were spoken in Inner Asia. Inscriptions dating between the 4th and 9th century AD demonstrate that Iranian languages (Sogdian, early 4th to 6th century AD, Sims-Williams 2011; Vovin 2018) and Mongolic ones (Khüis Tolgoi and Bugut inscriptions of the 5th–6th centuries AD, Vovin 2018) as well as, much later, Turkic languages (isolated Turkish phrases in Bactrian manuscripts of the 7th century AD, Orkhon and Yenisei Kirgiz inscriptions between the early 8th and 9th century AD, Erdal 2004: 4–8) were spoken in the territory between the Yenisei River in the West, the Tian Shan range in the South and Mongolia in the East. Other Indo-European languages were spoken in oasis cities along the northern and southern ridges of the Takla Makan desert in the 1st millennium AD including Indo-Iranian (Iranian Khotanese and Tumshuqese Saka, Bactrian, Indo-Aryan Prakrit, Sanskrit) and ‘Tocharian’ languages (Agnean and Kuchean).However, this linguistic situation of a coexistence of Iranian, Turkic and Mongolic in Inner Asia can only be reliably established as such for the late 1st millennium AD. Hypotheses on an Iranian, Mongolic or Turkic identity of the Xiōng-nú primarily rest on written sources post-dating the Xiōng-nú era.
While the theoretical possibility of a Mongolic or Turkic presence in Inner Asia already at the beginning of the common era cannot be ruled out a priori, it is important to note that there is, on the other hand, also no robust evidence – especially from textual sources – that could directly imply or prove a Turko-Mongolic presence in this area at such an early date.
The earliest sources from the Tarim Basin and the territories alongside the Oxus River/Amu Darya (Chorasmia, Sogdia, Bactria) only document Indo-European languages from the Indo-Iranian and ‘Tocharian’ branches (to which might be added, as a cultural import, also Ancient Greek in Macedonian colonies). Judging by more indirect evidence – especially loanwords in other languages, toponyms, etc. – other Iranian languages, namely different Sakan varieties (Tremblay 2005) and ‘Old Steppe Iranian’ (Bernard 2023), must have been spoken in the steppe corridor from the Kazakh steppe to Dzungaria, and perhaps even to Gansu (see Beckwith 2022). It is only centuries later, namely in the Migration Period of the 5th–6th centuries AD, that a (Para-)Mongolic language might be attested in Inner Asia (Vovin 2018), and fragments of this (Para-)Mongolic language, in turn, are still much earlier documented than the earliest secure Turkic words dating from the 7th century AD.There is thus neither direct nor indirect evidence supporting the claim of a Mongolic or Turkic presence in Inner Asia between the 3rd century BC and the 2nd century AD, and the hypothesis of a Mongolic or Turkic identity of the ethnic core of the Xiōng-nú (as proposed by Benzing 1959, Pritsak 1982; Tenišev 1997; Dybo 2007; Janhunen 2010; Savelyev 2020) is thus rather unlikely from the outset, as is the hypothesis of a completely unknown or unclassifiable language without any living descendants (as proposed by Doerfer 1973). The same applies to the Huns: there is a complete lack of evidence supporting claims of a Turkic presence among the Huns.1 On the other hand, an Iranian component in the Xiōng-nú Empire is possible, and indeed quite likely, although, as we intend to point out with the present study, such Indo-European ethnicity must not necessarily have been shared by the ruling dynasty or ethnic core of the Xiōng-nú (pace Bailey 1985; Beckwith 2022) or the Huns.Concerning such an Iranian component, (Beckwith 2018, 2022) has argued recently that Xiōng-nú words preserved in Chinese texts are indicative of an Iranian language, which he calls ‘East Scythian’. However, his interpretation depends on a reconstruction of the Old and Middle Chinese pronunciation of Chinese signs which significantly differs from established reconstructions such as the classic one of Pulleyblank, and which has also been criticised by Vovin et al. (2016: 129–30). In addition to this, his Iranian etymologies must be met with serious doubts. For instance, the ethnonym ‘Aryan’, which is amply attested in many Indo-Iranian languages, is given by Beckwith with a word-initial laryngeal sound (discussion in Beckwith 2022: 183–86, cf. particularly p. 186): ‘East Scythian *ḥarya [ɣa.rya] “noble, royal; Scythian” → Old Chinese *ḥaryá 夏/*ḥâryá 華 “royal; Chinese, China”’. This would indeed be a remarkable Iranian word form, because no Indo-Iranian language points to an initial laryngeal (†Hā̆ri̯a- vel sim.): A word-initial laryngeal should have left direct traces in Persianide languages (see Kümmel 2018), but Old Persian <ariy-> /ariya-/ or inscriptional Middle Persian ēr ‘Iranian’ do not preserve such a sound. The hypothetical (East) Scythian would be the only Iranian language to preserve it, and independent evidence for this is entirely lacking. Other etymologies equally rest upon highly questionable ad hoc assumptions on Iranian historical phonology and must accordingly be dismissed (e. g. the etymology of Old Turkic täŋri ‘heaven’ that Beckwith 2022: 195, 203 wants to derive from an East Scythian *tagri through the application of an alleged Scythian syllable contact law of nasalization completely unheard of in the specialist literature and remaining without any reliable parallel; on this word rather cf. Georg 2001).It must therefore be conceded that, while it is a priori likely that Iranian tribes were one factor among others in the ethnolinguistic melting pot of the eastern Eurasian steppe some 2000 years ago (the Sakan languages would be a good starting point for further research in this direction), the evidence adduced by scholars in favour of a dominant role of Iranian groups and their languages in the Xiōng-nú empire so far does not follow the rigorous methodological standards of Historical-Comparative Linguistics and is therefore insufficient to allow for any reliable inferences.Etymological analyses of Xiōng-nú glosses in Chinese sources (collected by Pulleyblank 1962, criticised and reanalysed by Dybo 2007), complemented by the interpretation of the so-called Jié couplet, the only short text preserved in the Xiōng-nú language,2 have led to a more promising alternative hypothesis. This hypothesis acknowledges both the multi-ethnic composition of the Xiōng-nú empire as such and the presence of Indo-European and specifically Iranian languages in Inner Asia at the beginning of the common era, yet adds to the complexity the idea that the native language of the ruling dynasty of the Xiōng-nú empire might have been a Yeniseian one (Ligeti 1950; Pulleyblank 1962; Dul'zon 1966; Dul'zon 1968; Vovin 2000; Vovin 2003; Vovin 2007; Werner 2014; Vovin 2020). Yeniseian languages are usually considered remnants or survivors of the original linguistic diversity of Siberia, historically spoken in retreat areas as the result of several waves of superimposition or displacement by expanding Uralic/Samoyedic, Turkic and Tungusic languages. Therefore, Yeniseian languages are also known as Paleo-Siberian languages.3 Several different Yeniseian languages were spoken in the 18th century AD alongside the middle reaches of the Yenisei River and some of its tributaries, yet this probably reflects a northward migration from a point of departure further south, around the headwaters of the Yenisey, the Ob and the Irtyš rivers (see Dul'zon 1959a; Dul'zon 1959b; Dul'zon 1964; Maloletko 1992; Maloletko 2000; Vajda 2019: 194–95; cf. also Janhunen 2020: 167). From the six historically attested Yeniseian languages Ket, Yugh, Kott, Assan, Arin and Pumpokol, it has so far been suggested that Ket/Yugh (Ligeti 1950; Pulleyblank 1962) or Pumpokol (Vovin 2000, 2003, 2007, 2020; Vovin et al. 2016) may have been the native language of the Xiōng-nú ruling dynasty.Adding value to this hypothesis is the fact that the northward migration of Yeniseian-speaking groups, as reflected in toponyms, from the Altai-Sayan area would well agree with detailed historical studies considering Indic, Iranian and Chinese written sources (de la Vaissière 2005; de la Vaissière 2014). These studies indicate that, following the eventual demise of their steppe empire, remnants of the Xiōng-nú migrated to the north of the Altai-Sayan Mountain ranges in the mid-2nd century AD and that this retreat area was the starting point of a secondary expansion of Xiōng-nú descendants roughly two hundred years later, between ca. 350–370 AD. This expansion occurred in three directions: One migratory trajectory led northward and left traces in the form of toponyms. This population movement downstream of the major rivers Yenisey, Ob and Irtyš perfectly explains the linguistic situation as documented for the first time in the 18th century and provides a direct link between Yeniseian languages and the Xiōng-nú. Another migratory route led to southern Asia and involved groups known from Iranian and Indic sources as Chionites, Kidarites, Hephthalites, Alchons as well as the so-called Huṇa (cf. Pfisterer 2013). A third migratory trajectory led westward, into Europe and involved the Huns who appeared in Eastern Europe in 370 and posed a threat to Roman hegemony until Attila's death in 453, the Battle of Nedao shortly afterwards and the ensuing disintegration of their confederation (cf. e.g. Heather 1996; Bóna 2002; Halsall 2007; Schmauder 2009; Maas 2014; Pohl 2022).Several nomadic groups of late Antiquity that originated in Inner Asia and migrated to the southern and western peripheries of the Eurasian landmass apparently used the same ethnonymic constituent (Chion-ites – Al-chon – Huṇa – Huns; cf. de la Vaissière 2005; de la Vaissière 2014, but see Atwood 2012), and the traditional hypothesis of a link between the ethnic core of the European Huns of the 4th–5th centuries AD and the Inner Asian Xiōng-nú of the 3rd century BC–2nd century AD, first proposed by the French scholar Joseph de Guignes in the 18th century, has, strictly speaking, never been falsified (de la Vaissière 2005: 15).
A genetic connection between the Xiōng-nú and the Huns is usually considered unlikely in modern archaeological and historical scholarship (e.g. Beckwith 2009: 72; Savelyev & Jeong 2020; Pohl 2022; Maenchen-Helfen 1944–1945; Maenchen-Helfen 1955; Maenchen-Helfen 1973; Schmauder 2009), partly because of the large chronological gap between the dissolution of the Xiōng-nú empire in the 2nd century AD and the appearance of the Huns in the 4th century AD, and partly because only two archaeological features render a connection likely: large bronze cauldrons of a certain type and artificially deformed or elongated skulls (Pohl 2022: 147).Despite the prevailing scepticism of historians and archaeologists, the hypothesis of a connection between the Xiōng-nú and the Huns has been corroborated recently by previously unknown and unavailable genetic data analysed by Gnecchi-Ruscone et al. (2025): ‘(…) long-shared genomic tracts provide compelling evidence of genetic lineages directly connecting some individuals of the highest Xiongnu-period elite with 5th to 6th century AD Carpathian Basin individuals, showing that some European Huns descended from them’.
On the provision that there was indeed some continuation between the ethnic core of the European Huns and the former Xiōng-nú, the ruling classes of both multi-ethnic confederations may have spoken the same language in two different diachronic stages (an older form and a younger one), implying that the identification of the linguistic affiliation of one of these groups probably also means identifying the native language of the other group.
In the following, we will discuss previously unknown linguistic evidence from four domains independently supporting such a connection and thus corroborating the recent archaeological and genetic findings: (1) loanwords, (2) glosses, (3) anthroponyms and (4) toponyms/hydronyms.
This analysis, which moves the Turkic and Tungistic migrations several centuries later in history than previously believed, is also relevant to the Altaic linguistic hypothesis and our understanding of these ethnic mass migrations more generally.
Close in time and space: Slavic ethnogenesis
The Slavic people emerged around the same time as the fall of the Roman Empire and the demise of the short lived Hunnic Kingdom in the Balkans, but before the Magyar conquest of what is now called Hungary and before the appearance of Gypsies in Europe. This period was traditionally called the "Dark Ages" in Europe. There are some historical roots, however, which suggest Slavic origins several centuries earlier (from the Wikipedia link at the start of this paragraph):
Ancient Roman sources refer to the Early Slavic peoples as "Veneti", who dwelt in a region of central Europe east of the Germanic tribe of Suebi and west of the Iranian Sarmatians in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD, between the upper Vistula and Dnieper rivers. Slavs – called Antes and Sclaveni – first appear in Byzantine records in the early 6th century AD. Byzantine historiographers of the era of the emperor Justinian I (r. 527–565), such as Procopius of Caesarea, Jordanes and Theophylact Simocatta, describe tribes of these names emerging from the area of the Carpathian Mountains, the lower Danube and the Black Sea to invade the Danubian provinces of the Eastern Empire.Jordanes, in his work Getica (written in 551 AD), describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He also describes the Veneti as the ancestors of Antes and Slaveni, two early Slavic tribes, who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early-6th century.Procopius wrote in 545 that "the Sclaveni and the Antae actually had a single name in the remote past; for they were both called Sporoi in olden times". The name Sporoi derives from Greek σπείρω ("to sow"). He described them as barbarians, who lived under democracy and believed in one god, "the maker of lightning" (Perun), to whom they made sacrifice. They lived in scattered housing and constantly changed settlement. In war, they were mainly foot soldiers with shields, spears, bows, and little armour, which was reserved mainly for chiefs and their inner circle of warriors. Their language is "barbarous" (that is, not Greek), and the two tribes are alike in appearance, being tall and robust, "while their bodies and hair are neither very fair or blond, nor indeed do they incline entirely to the dark type, but they are all slightly ruddy in color. And they live a hard life, giving no heed to bodily comforts..."Jordanes describes the Sclaveni as having swamps and forests for their cities. Another 6th-century source refers to them living among nearly-impenetrable forests, rivers, lakes, and marshes.Menander Protector mentions Daurentius (r. c. 577 – 579) who slew an Avar envoy of Khagan Bayan I for asking the Slavs to accept the suzerainty of the Avars; Daurentius declined and is reported as saying: "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs – so it shall always be for us as long as there are wars and weapons".
The Slavic languages are a relatively recent offshoot of the Indo-European Baltic languages, which in turn may be the most direct descendants of the language(s) of the Corded Ware culture (ca. 3000 BCE to 2350 BCE).
Eurogenes reports on new ancient DNA driven discoveries drawn from the earliest ancient Slavic DNA at his blog.
A paper dealing with the origin of Slavic speakers, titled Ancient DNA connects large-scale migration with the spread of Slavs, was just published at Nature by Gretzinger et al. (see here).The dataset from the paper includes ten fascinating ancient samples from Gródek upon the Bug River in Southeastern Poland. These individuals are dated to the so called Tribal Period (8th – 9th centuries), and, as far as I know, they represent the earliest Slavic speakers in the ancient DNA record.The really interesting thing about these early Slavs is that they already show some Germanic and other Western European-related ancestries. Nine of the samples made it into my G25 analysis (see here). In the Principal Component Analysis (PCA) plots . . . five of them cluster near present-day Ukrainians, while the rest are shifted towards present-day Northwestern and Western Europeans. . . . GRK015, a female belonging to Western European-specific mtDNA haplogroup H1c, shows Scandinavian ancestry. On the other hand, GRK014, a female belonging to the West Asian-specific mtDNA haplogroup U3b, probably has Southern European ancestry.
These results aren't exactly shocking, because the people who preceded the early Slavs in the Gródek region were Scandinavian-like and associated with the Wielbark archeological culture. In other words, they were probably Goths who also had significant contacts with the Roman Empire.However, it's not a given that the ancestors of the Tribal Period Slavs mixed with local Goths. It's also possible that they brought the western admixture, or at least some of it, from the Slavic homeland, wherever that may have been.That's because the early Slavs who migrated deep into what is now Russia also showed Western European-related admixture. This is what Gretzinger et al. say on page 74 of their supplementary info (emphasis is mine):The only deviation from this pattern is observed for ancient samples from the Russian Volga-Oka region, where we measure higher genetic affinity between present-day Southern/Western Europeans and the SP population compared to the pre-SP population (Fig. S17). This agrees with the pattern observed in PCA and ADMIXTURE that, in contrast to the Northwestern Balkan, Eastern Germany, and Poland-Northwestern Ukraine, the arrival of Slavic-associated culture in Northwestern Russia was associated with a shift in PCA space to the West, a decrease of BAL [Baltic] ancestry, and the introduction of Western European ancestries such as CNE [Continental North European] and CWE [Continental Western European].Thus, it's highly plausible that the Tribal Period Slavs from Gródek were very similar, perhaps even practically identical, to the proto-Slavs who lived in the original Slavic homeland. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to discover whether that's true or not. More Migration period and Slavic period samples from the border regions of Belarus, Poland and Ukraine are needed to sort that out.
Eurogenes goes on to criticize a suggestion in the supplemental materials to the Slavic ancient DNA paper that suggests that
Sycthian groups from Ukraine show varying fractions of South Asian ancestry (between 5% and 12%), a component present in many ancient individuals from Moldova, Ukraine, Western Russia, and the Caucasus, but (nearly) absent in the SP genomes from Central and East-Central Europe (<5%). [Ed. references to specific samples showing this omitted.]
Eurogenes, rightly, explains that the data are really showing European introgression into South Asia arising from the Indo-Aryan invasion of the region in the Bronze Age, and before that from Iran.