Monday, April 25, 2022

Looking For Cryptids in Flores

The best evidence for the existence of a currently extant or recently (i.e. in the last couple of hundred years) extinct archaic hominin species in the world, basically a cryptid, is in or near the island of Flores in Indonesia as an example of the species Homo floresiensis, which solid evidence suggests co-existed with modern humans, at least for an extended period of time on that island.

A new book by Gregory Forth, entitled Between Ape and Human, available in May 2022, explores that possibility. The author, touting his book in the linked article, states:
My aim in writing the book was to find the best explanation—that is, the most rational and empirically best supported—of Lio accounts of the creatures. These include reports of sightings by more than 30 eyewitnesses, all of whom I spoke with directly. And I conclude that the best way to explain what they told me is that a non-sapiens hominin has survived on Flores to the present or very recent times.

Between Ape and Human also considers general questions, including how natural scientists construct knowledge about living things. One issue is the relative value of various sources of information about creatures, including animals undocumented or yet to be documented in the scientific literature, and especially information provided by traditionally non-literate and technologically simple communities such as the Lio—a people who, 40 or 50 years ago, anthropologists would have called primitive. To be sure, the Lio don’t have anything akin to modern evolutionary theory, with speciation driven by mutation and natural selection. But if evolutionism is fundamentally concerned with how different species arose and how differences are maintained, then Lio people and other Flores islanders have for a long time been asking the same questions.

12 comments:

neo said...

Homo floresiensis seems like Australopithecus

neo said...

do you believe in bigfoot

andrew said...

I do not believe in bigfoot, or the yeti. The handful of claimed sightings in those cases have been debunked.

neo said...

andrew said...

I do not believe in bigfoot, or the yeti. The handful of claimed sightings in those cases have been debunked.

there are also videos on youtube.com



what about ebo gogo in in or near the island of Flores in Indonesia

DDeden said...

New article on the Maniq/Sakai forest hill people of southern Thailand: https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2022/04/extreme-genetic-drift-in-maniq-hunter.html?m=1

andrew said...

@neo

"what about ebo gogo in in or near the island of Flores in Indonesia"

They could be hobbits. They are one island over from Flores (on the other side of the Wallace line deep in a forested interior of the island), if I recall correctly. I have posted about them previously at this blog.

@DDeden

Thanks for the tip.

andrew said...

"there are also videos on youtube.com"

There are videos of Yoda on youtube.com but he isn't real either.

andrew said...

Discussion of a possibly still extant relic hobbit population can be found at this post at this blog from January 2013.

https://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2013/01/more-hobbit-fossils-confirm-existence.html

Ryan said...

Didn't someone test a supposed sample of Yeti fur for DNA and find it was a a species of bear with white fur? Some kind of Kermode-like mutation?

andrew said...

@Ryan

Something like that, which is part of what I was alluding to when stating that some of the best evidence for the Yeti has been debunked.

Ryan said...

Not sure that qualifies as fully debunked though. The Yeti myth is based on something real, and a new species of bear is pretty cool in and of itself. Just not some lost species of ape.

neo said...

dna from footprint could prove that bigfoot, or the yeti.existed